Sunday, February 17, 2008

Who was the Chateauguay sex killer?

Chateauguay's teen serial killer
Victim Debbie Fisher

   The blacked-out photo at left is as close as you'll ever get knowing the identity of the sadistic sex murderer who terrorized Chateauguay in the mid 70s.
   He was caught but few know his real identity.
   It's possible that he's alive and among us. If so he'd be about 49. (The picture was printed in the Allo Police 28 July 1975, p. 3.)
   Mr. X claimed the lives of Norma O'Brien, and Debbie Fisher. He savagely killed them in July 1974 and July 1975.
Victim Norma O'Brien
   O'Brien was found dead in a field on St. Francis in Chateauguay on July 10 1974.
   The 12-year-old child had been beaten, strangled and raped just 1,500 feet from her front door at 94 Lucerne where she lived with family, including parents Peter O'Brien and Gayle O'Brien.
   They still live there.
   Norma was walking a mile back from the pool where her water polo practice had been canceled and she headed back around 8:40 p.m. Her body was found by the pool manager a few hours later.
   The sadistic murderer had jumped off his 10 speed, pushed her into the bushes, hit her with his shoe and a rock. She tried hitting him with her hair brush and he ended up sticking it in her mouth. He claimed he didn't mean to kill her but just got scared.
   Police interviewed 2,000 people but could get no leads.
   One year later, on June 24, 1975 the same killer committed a similarly heartbreakingly unspeakable act to Debbie Fisher, 5'5" 108 pounds and a mere 14-years-old. He smashed her skull and left her body in the roadside woods of Brisebois Avenue, 5 kilometers from the first murder.
    He was apprehended soon after and confessed.
   The trial began in July 1976. The accused was an adult, aged 18, but was tried as a minor, as he had committed the crimes aged 16 and 17. He was found guilty on March 21, 1977. Thus the identity of one of the worst local sex-murderers of recent times has, and will forever be shielded from the public.

72 comments:

Shawn said...

God knows where and how you find all this stuff Kristian. I've cited it in the Wikipedia article on Chateauguay.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Chateauguay and vividly remember when they discovered Norma's body. I was coming back from a picnic and recall driving home into Chateauguay and when we got to the corner of St. Francis and Maple it was cordoned off...police, ambulance, helicopters and news cameras were everywhere...my father pulled over and got out to see what was going on and I asked him what he thought had gone on. Something really big, he said, for all this activity. When he got back in the car he was completely shaken...a young girl had been raped and murdered. I also remember being at the dolphin swimming pool when the radio announced that Debbie Fisher had been found murdered. What Kristian says is the truth...I was there. I could, before they developed the area, take you to where Norma was murdered. It was very sad...it was in a field steps away from her home and eerily, someone used to mow a strip out of the field leading from there to Lucerne where she lived. I am sure it was her parents...it always felt so odd going through there but I always did in memory of her. Sad to say that it is now full of new housing developments.

It is true what this person says. Wikipedia is not infallible as far as searches go

Kristian said...

Someone may or may not have said that the culprit may or may not have been the son of a corner store owner. He may or may not have caught due to his moped which may or may not have been seen at the scene of the crime and that alleged moped may or may not have been the reason that the alleged culprit was eventually arrested.

Angie Crawley said...

I was a friend of Norma's. We were often at the pool together. we practically lived there all summer.... I remember walking down st. Francis Blvd. with a few of my friends and running into her older sister Lori. She had asked us if we had seen Norma...that she had not come home the previous night.... we must have walked right by her body that day and I remember that day like it had just happended yesterday... it still bothers me to this day.... I left Chateauguay when I was 17 with my parents... I hope all is well with the O'Brien family

Kristian said...

Thanks for the post. You should look in on them, give them a call just to say hi. I mean, why not?

Lexington said...

Small world.

I grew up in Chateauguay in the 1970s but never knew much about these crimes, though I lived very close to the places where they were committed. The only thing I distinctly recall is that several people I knew talked darkly about one detail of the murders, involving a hair brush, and it was connected with the Scenery Park pool (now gone, once located at the intersection of St. Francis and St. Jean Baptiste).

Anyway, I gather the murder of Norma O'Brien occured in the field that is bordered by St. Francis (on the north), Maple (west), Milton (formerly Lafayette) (east), and Radisson / Massey (south). If you really want to kknow check MapQuest to see the place. A Hydro Quebec high voltage transmission line crosses this field so it is off llimits to development, though the town has since added a bike path across it. It's frankly creepy to think that as a child I spent many, many hours playing in that field, completely oblivious to its past.

As for the Fischer murder, does anyone know where Brisebois is? The name sounds familiar but when I check MapQuest it turns up a street by Anna Laberge hospital (built in the 1980s, if I remember right) that was almost certainly empty field at the time of the murder. Did the city rename the streets here too?

Anonymous said...

You are confusing the field - it was the one opposite that - bordered by St. Francis(to the south), Maple (west), Elm(east), and Forest (north). Lucerne, where Norma lived, is a dead end street that is halfway up Maple between St-Francis and Forest. There was a hair brush, I don't remember it being associated with Seignory Park pool...as much as it was with Norma herself. She was coming back from the pool and took her the path that led up to Lucerne through a stand of trees - I think that is where the body was found.

The murderer definitely worked in the 'depanneur' in Maple Shopping Centre not far from the Howard S. Billing's High School. I seem to remember them saying that was where he first came across Norma as she used to stop there. He did have a yellow moped which was connected to the Debbie Fisher murder. He buried it in the family's backyard...I think it started to rise and the father found it and turned him in (I think they lived on Mountain between Stanton and Watt)

Brisebois Street is where Ecole Secondaire Louis Philippe Paré (or LPP) is. While the hospital was only built in the 80s, the high school was there for years before that. Chances are, the murderer probably went to this high school as he was a francophone and knew the surrounding area quite well...it is very wooded there even today, some 30 years on, even with the hospital and new housing developments.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Chateuguay as well and must have been about 7 when the first girl was killed. We lived on Rue Montmorency which was pretty close to the murder site and I recall that once my mother heard about the murder she came outside to grab me where i had been playing with my best friend and told me that i was no longer allowed to play outside that a girl had been killed and the killer was not caught. I remember too, the neighbours whispering something about a hair brush. Anyway, the incident had forever changed my experience of child hood and freedom. It was my first experience of darkness and fear. We were now scared and paranoid to be alone outside and we were no longer allowed to play in the field without one of our mothers watching. Does anyone know how long the guy was jailed for?

Anonymous said...

Norma's father passed away in 2006 and is buried with her in Christ-Roi cemetery

Sharron Prior website said...

Oh yes! I remember these two cases very well!

www.sharronprior.com

Sharron Prior website said...

To tell you the truth Sharron was following the murder of Norma O'Brien, she would ask my mom what whet on.
Little did she know she would be a victim of a murderer..the next year.

Doreen Prior

Bern said...

hi everery body, sorry about my english , i am french guy. Yes y grow in chateauguay i am 50 years old today and i remember very well this story. I remember the rumeurs running after the kill of Norma. Some rumeurs make suspect a few person on the population of chateauguay. But the police don't have serious indice to find the criminal. It's only after the kill of Debby the police on brisebois street the police have good indice to find catch the killer. The guy make a fake on the side of the road with is 'mobilette' like if he had a accident and her, she stop with her bicycle to ask im if he need help. That's the ways he traps and catch her and brings on the trail where he kill her by hitting her head with a stone and after he recover the body with the door of a car. That's the reason why they can't see with the SQ helicopetre. On the crime scene the police make a reproduction of a tire print the guy lived in the eart and they have a witness running in car on brisebois and seen the guy getting out of the trail on a orange mobilette (scooter less than 50cc). With those indice the police have enough details to find the murder and bring him in court. They start by taking the list of all orange mobilette around Chateauguay and visite one by one to compare the tire with the tire print they have. When the police been at the murder home, the guy daid to the police he was the murder. The rumeurs said after they catch him, the guy was 17 years old and french. He was going to the polyvalente Louis-Phillipe Pare and his family name was Coullard. I don't remember is first name and I don't realy know that person but by the description of the guy i get at the time, i suspect i know hoo is it. Beleve me that guy doesn't have a tough face or shape or a murder face. Look like any young guy and slim. For me, that story was a very sad and happened in a kiet city where all parents tinking them kid was in security.
I can't remove this story from my mind and take this lesson of the live to hunderstand us kid are not secure anywhere.

Anonymous said...

I also grew up in Chateauguay, and remember the stories all to well! I heard he pled insanity, and was never in prison, but rather a mental institution. Any truth to that?
I also heard he lived off of Watt Street in Chateauguay Heights.
Why his identity is being protected, is beyond me!
My deepest respects go out to the, Fisher and O'brien families. Your angels rest in peace <3

Anonymous said...

Hello

I also grew up in Chateauguay in the Seignory park area in the Mid 70s when this all happened and my parents were very scared about this so they kept me in the backyard for a long time until they caught the murderer.

The owner of the depanneur ( mini general )that was located in the Maple shopping center ( now relocated on St Francis next door to Archanbeault paint ) lives on St Francis two houses from Maple boul.

Some say the murderer's family name is Coullard and he was sixteen or seventeen back in 1974, the french high school in Chateauguay ( Louis Phillip Pare )must have photos of him back then.

Why was he not thrown in jail and where is this man today?

T

Anonymous said...

Hello again

I wrote to you just yesterday and I just found out by my mother that his name was Daniel she remembers this from the local newspaper at the time the O'Brien family lived just about 1km from my parents place Norma would be my age today she and I probably whent to the same local pool ( Seignory pool )

I will see if I have a chance this week I will try to communicate with the French high school ( LPP ) and ask them if they would have a photo of this man a yearbook or something.

I heard that he was placed in a mental institution, would that be the Douglas hospital in Verdun? is he still there? or is he freely roaming around.

I will let you know.

T

Anonymous said...

hello I grue up i chateauguay then and lived on maple a few house from where norma lived,I new her and her cusine,after that happened I would not leave the house and my mother had to get me sleeping pills from the dr so I could sleep without having nightmares,and one year later I was at a pool party with my good friend debbie fisher,after the party I left with her I went home and so did she and she never made it,I way so sick I would not leave the house unless I was with my father and I would go to that store and see the guy with his yellow bike park outside the store and his father made me sick he gave me the creeps and so did his son.After they pick him up i wanted to go there and kill him myself and his father for not turning in his son before the second murder happened. I loved living in chateauguay in my teens but after the 2 murders all I wanted to graduate from billings and get the hell out of there

Anonymous said...

Hello

This is for the last person that wrote in this column I don't quite understand your last letter do you mean that the owner and the young man that worked at the Mini Generale at the Maple shopping center ( the killer )were related father and son if so I recall the owner, a man in the early 80s being in the early to mid 50s with reddish hair and French he was the man that I mentioned in my last letter that lived two houses from the corner of St Francis and Maple Blvd .

I found out that the killer was brought to the Valleyfield courthouse and never did any prison time he was put in a mental institution, I called the Valleyfield courthhouse not long ago and they told me that the files about this case were forwarded to the Archives Nationale du Quebec in Montreal.

I plan on going there this coming summer.

To the last writer please write back to me and lets see if we can find out or exchange info about this story.

Thank You

T

Anonymous said...

sorry i dont what to talk about this anymore it was hard for me to get over this,and no it was not the man that live on st.francise that owned the store this was the guy that work there,the father and son I heard they live in the heights that is all i know

Anonymous said...

no the man with the reddish hair was the owner and the guy and his father just work there no relations with the owner,so don,t jump to conclusions like I said I don,t want to talk about this anymore,I just hope he is still in the mental hospital for ever

Anonymous said...

I visited Norma's grave today after reading more about the murders here. They occurred before my time but I do remember hearing about them from my parents and at school as a kid. If anyone is interested, Norma's grave is located in the cemetery on Elm street.

Anonymous said...

Hello

Yes I know where she is burried shes at Christe roi cimetery I also hope that hes still in a mental institution.
I slightly remember Norma and her family I used to see her and her family at the local pool back in the early 70s Seignory pool she would have been my age today she probably went to Robber Jobber school a short distance from her home. I on the other hand went to Laberge The French school up the hill.
Like I said in my last letter I will be going to the Archive National in July to obtain more info about the nut that did this to her.

T

Anonymous said...

The guy with the red hair (Réal) bought Mini General after the murders...if I remember correctly the store was first called the Little General when it opened in Maple Shopping Centre and a skinny black haired man with a mustache owned it.

The killer definitely worked in the dep...not sure if the father did or whether stories are all getting mixed up after so many years. I thought it was the father who turned him in.

Debbie Fisher is also buried in Christ-Roi cemetery.

Anonymous said...

The Police scene at the corner of Maple and St. Francis was one of my earliest childhood memories. I was only 5 in 1974. My parents and I drove by on our way home and wondered what was going on since it did not appear to be a car accident. When we got home, on Maple Street, we heard from a neighbour.

My neighbour and babysitter, Linda Mason, was friends with one of the girls murdered - Norma I believe.

My mother remembers the teen that was charged with the crime. He used to bag her groceries at the Maple shopping center.

She told me that the yellow moped was instrumental in the investigation as there was a witness that saw him leave the scene of the 1975 murder on it. I also recall hearing that he lived on Mountain street, only a few blocks from me.

She told me that a petition had been sent around to have the teen tried as an adult, which she had signed.

I remember, as a child, overhearing the grizzly details of the first murder and being perplexed as to why somebody would do such a thing.

I used to visit the graves of both Norma and Debbie as a child on my bicycle. I felt sad for them and their families.

It is surprising to me how well the details written in this blog accord with what I heard at the time back in the 1970s so long ago.

This was truely an event will not easily be forgot for anybody living in Chateauguay at the time.

I will always wonder what became of the killer. He should have been executed but the law in Canada does not allow for it.

Anonymous said...

Hello

Your right they should have tried him as an adult, about 2 moths ago I called the Valleyfield courthouse about the event but they told me that after 30 years they forward all old files at the Archives nationale in Montreal and they even gave me the name of the person that could help me with my search for the killer.

I'll be going there in July,
The teen that killed these two girls went to LPP and I think he might have graduated in 1975 or 1976 how hard would it be to visit the school and check out their yearbooks.

T

Anonymous said...

Hello

Was Linda Mason related to an old friend of mine Marc Mason HSB class of 81?

T

Anonymous said...

Hello Again

From I heard the killer's name might be Daniel Couillard and did live in the heights in Chateauguay.

T

Anonymous said...

the killer is was the mayor's son at the time. he had also raped a little boy, but his identity was never released because he was underage and the mayors son on top of it.

Anonymous said...

Hello

You know I also heard the same thing many years ago in the early 80s,wasn't Phillip Bonneau the mayor of Chateauguay back in those days?I heard that themayor's son was retarded or something like that.

Please write back to me.

Thank You
T

Kristian said...

It was not the mayor's son. He was not involved in this and was cleared of suspicion.

Anonymous said...

Hello Kristian

Do you have any other info on the killer? I will be going to the Archive National du Quebec in Montreal sometimes next month the Valleyfield courthouse transfered the files there.

T

Sirius said...

I'm wondering if some one found anything at the Archive National du Quebec in Montreal?

Please, could you tell me as much as possible about that killer? I need this for my personnal data base on unsolved cases.

Anonymous said...

Hello Sirius

Did you grow up in Chateauguay during the time when Norma was killed? and if so were about did you live in Chateauguay?

the Valleyfield courthouse even gave me the name of the person that could help me at the Archives Nationale, do you have any info about the killer or anything else?


T

Anonymous said...

I grew up on Mountain street just a few houses down from the killer(He lived at 249)I was just a baby when the killings took place,but I can remember when I was a kid hearing the stories of the guy who used to live in that house who had murdered 2 girls and something about a hairbrush

Anonymous said...

Wow, I accidently came upon this blog..Never leaves my mind this story..grew up in chats and still live here..I remember this so well I know Norma's older sister and I know Debbie's Brother..
I was about 10 at the first murder the second one I was out of town with my Mom....but the Yellow Mobilet stays with me as my Mom had one and my Dad was driving it while we were on vacation he was meeting us there as he had to work..... and they came to our house to look at it and investigate it..they did a good investigation questioned him about everything
so sad, that this happened here! I know here Sister is a Lawyer now living in Ottawa last I heard..

Peter said...

such a shame.. i currently live in Chateauguay, and have since i was 5. it always gets me, hearing of these rape/murder cases, i often wish i could be a passer by, being at the right place at the right time to stop these horrible things, but sadly this is never the case..

my deepest sympathies to those who knew the victims, and may the scum who commited these atrocities, spend eternity on the receiving end of evil.

- Peter, age 20

curious said...

is it just me or did anyone notice the man in his fifties knows a little too much information. how does he know the killer would pretend to be in an accident and that the girld would come along on her bike, hit her with a rock and hide her body under a car door?
im a bit uneasy. who are you and how do you know these things?

Anonymous said...

Hello
This is for curious
Your absolutely right how would this guy know and the killer would be in his early fifties how strange,and the other guy who mentioned where the killer lived complete address with all this information how hard would it be to trace the previous owners of that house? and did the killer go to the Douglas hospital in Verdun?
Where is he today, perhaps roaming around free while two girls died because of this nut, he should be locked up for good and leave him there for good Norma O'brien would be my age today and would have been in some of my classes in Billings.

T

Sandy said...

anonymous said
I was friends with Debbie. This story still bothers me. I was talking with someone I worked with and her husband had to testify at the trial of Daniel Couillard. Her husband used to be the boss of this guys father. What I was told was that he got off on a technicality and never served any time. Supposedly the family moved to Quebec. Curious to know if this is true. I was 14 when Debbie died and this guy was 17 at that time. I am 50, so he would be in his 50's.

Anonymous said...

Two things I remember about this
It was a comb (not a brush) and the mother know and might of been charged. I Was 12 in 1974 and move Ontario in 1977

Anonymous said...

Well ! I'll never forget Norma. I see her every day in my mind. I was working at the pool at the time. We had cancelled the pool practise because of the weather.All the girls were sent back home.The girls left in groups. I later left by bike accompanied by our secretary. We passed on St Francis near the place Norma was killed. The poor girl was just few feet from the side of the street. Wish I had noticed something.
I recall Lori coming to me the following day ( at the pool) asking if we had seen Norma.We immediately started search around the site. The police was also rapidly called. Mr Gauthier was the inspector in charge. We then made groups of search in order to cover a broughder space.My group was at the intersection of Maple and St Francis when we heard ''Chuck'' ( the pool manager) yelling or wisthling. I belived I ran so fast I was the second one to see my little Norma on the ground. We all ended up at the site where she was killed.All the big boys, we were, started crying. What I saw was unsustainable and still is.I will never forget her.

Anonymous said...

To the last person that wrote

Your the one that found Norma's body? wow what a shock, I was also taking swimming lessons at that pool on that summer my instructor's name was Debby if I'm not mistaking, I read in this blog that the killer moved away from Chateauguay with his family somewhere in Quebec does that mean he never did any time? could this be true?

T

st.mary's girl said...

I lived in Chateauguay at the time too. I was in girl guides with Debbie. I was the patrol leader, she was my seconder...very sweet, gentle girl.

I remember the story that the killer was by the side of the road, pretending to be hurt...Debbie saw him and got off her bicycle to help. It sounded just like something she would do.

I don't know much else. It was something nobody talked about.

Peter Benjung said...

I was a teenager at the time and also will never forget this horrible crime. Lori was in my English class the following year and it was difficult at times for me to look here in the eye, I felt so badly for her. At the risk of sounding like a red neck, the authorities should have tried the accused as an adult and made an example of him. The lack of closure has always made me wonder if they were hiding something.

Anonymous said...

I was working at Seigniory park pool the night of the cancelled water Polo practice. The girls were all sent home due to an electrical storm.

Next day, the police appeared at the pool, and requested anyone over the age of 16 report to the office, and a search party was formed.

The adjacent land around the pool was searched first, then we were driven up St. Francis, and again started to search, until we found her body, a couple of hundred yards from the back of Norma's parents home.

It was a very sad day in the town, and for anyone involved.

Let me just say, there is a lot of aassumptions, and most of them are incorrect.

The police officers involved, were shocked and shaken when the body was found, let alone the ones of us, that were the last ones to see her alive.

Rest in Peace

Anonymous said...

http://u.nu/73ab4
Here you go.

Anonymous said...

I lived in Chateauguay on and off. Debbie was a good friend of mine and a few others. The last time I saw Debbie was the same day she went missing and it is still very clear in my memory as well as the day she was found. God bless her and her family. I still think of her to this day. She is dearly missed.
Lori G

Anonymous said...

Hello

I found out just about a week ago I don't know if this is right but the killer was released from prison 15 years ago and that his parents had broken up.

If anyone out there has any info about this story please let the readers know about it.

Anonymous said...

Hey can anyone confirm more details about this guy (murderer) and his whereabouts now???

Anonymous said...

The barber that works at the Maple shopping center was around then and has info about what happened check on him,

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Chateauguay in the 70's and moved to Ontario in 1977.
I remember when the killing happened I was under 10, and remember everyone was not allowed to be alone we had to be in groups. This scum will never know how many lives he infected, and to think he did not spend any jail time, makes me cry. I'm glad I came upon this site by accident, it fills in some blank spots in the memory. Yes there was a rumor about a brush and the son of an important man in the city. What happened at the archives in July?
My thoughts go out to the families, their angels will never be forgotten.

Anonymous said...

http://news.google.ca/newspapers?id=t50uAAAAIBAJ&sjid=sKEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1927,1612045&dq=chateauguay+debbie+fisher&hl=en

Sharron Prior website said...

I remember this so clearly. My sister Sharron was following this case also.
So sad in the 70's there were so many murders

sad..

sharronprior.com

Anonymous said...

I just came across this site as I was looking for hauntings in Chateauguay and this link came up.
My sister used to play with Debbie Fisher growing up and she lived on our Street.
I remember the horror and sadness this caused to her family as will as to my sister. I often think of her over the years and wish her peace. How sad for this to have happened.
From what I remember she was riding her bike home and it was suggested she might have known the boy. The theory was he packaged food (groceries) and everyone knew him at the grocery store in the small mall near Howard S. Billings. So he was not a stranger. Back then the word was out that he had mental problems.
I recall they said she had been raped tied to a tree trunk and a hair brush had been down her throat. She was naked and must have fought like hell as she had alot of his skin under her nails.
If this man is still alive he should be tortured and then killed.
Whatever comes around I hope will go around.

Anonymous said...

No one knows what happened to the crazy bastard that did these evil things I bet you he's free and maybe even among us he should pay for these crimes I even saw on Facebook a man with the same name Daniel Couillard that was the killer's name also could this the same man?

Anonymous said...

Hi, I arrived in chateauguay in 1976, I was only 8 but I fell accidently on this subject... reminds me too of these horrible moments, especially now, I never knew what reslly happended, I just found out this week reading your posts... What a dark period that was, it reminds me earing about a killer, a air brush and a yellow mopped... I went to LPP only years later, but like someone said earlier, it was not talked about too much... it was like too crary or tabboo I guess..?!? But everything touches me right now... I just can't imagine the hard times everybody lived, all my prayers to the families and friends.

Stef said...

Part 2...
I found few things on internet and Chateauguay Bibliotheque.. Old Newspapers... First, yes his name is Daniel Couillard. See page 4 on Gazette 1977 http://news.google.ca/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19770326&printsec=frontpage
I got a picture of him, with face on L'Information march 30th 1977 p.4...
I still have to find his sentence on his first murder in 74.. it was suppose to be held in november 77..

Anonymous said...

hello Stef

Where did you get all this info? I grew up in that time in Chateauguay when this all happened Norma would have been one year older than me today I went to the very same local pool and when these murders happened my parents kept my sister and I in our backyard for a long time until they caught the killer and yes he did go to LLP.

Stef said...

Hi anonymous ! I found a photo of the Killer in archive newspapers at the Chateauguay Big Bibliotheque... you don't have to be a member to consult archives... L'Information march 30th 1977 p.4... Scary and sad... Ps. to defend the previous 50 yrs old man talking about a car door, well, in archives, you can read that so everybody that read newspapers in 74-75-76-77 should know... it was written in newspapers how and where they were found. Even some words from the killer responding to the judge...

Anonymous said...

Hi Stef

What happened to the man that killed these two girls?
Did he ever go to prison? I met a man last year that claims he went to school with him and he told me he was a quiet kid .There's also the barber at the Maple shopping center who I talked to last year and he was there way back in 74 he is old today but remembers very well he told me that the killer's parents had moved to Verdun and broke up afterwards.
Is this information right? I do remember the store that Couillard worked at I was a little younger than Norma my family and I did go to the Seignory and did see her and her family a few times.
I even called the palais de justice in Valleyfield where the trial was and they told me that all the old file were sent at the archives national du Quebec in Montreal.


Keep in touch Stef sounds like you did alot of digging

Anonymous said...

Rob Brewster:

Just came accross this post and remeber this well. Gary Fisher was a friend back in the 70's.

To summarize what I remember about these terrible events:

1- Because they happened in the Summera year apart, there was some initial susoicion that the person responsible was travelling with the fair that used to come to the Arena in Chateauguay. Apparently the fair was there during both murders.

The last I heard was that the idiot that did this was a Grocery Packer at the Grocery Store at the mall Petit Generale was in.

He was caught as the moped was noticed by someone driving by where Debbie was killed.

The Spot where she was left was at the time, was a road that would be your first left if you were driving from Anna Laberge to St Joseph.

If you turned there, about 200 feet up on the rightm there was a clearing with scrap cars, and people dumped garbage and wood.

Debbie was found under a car door that had been placed over her. I don't know if the area has been built up since. But she ws coming from her house on near viau/Dube, and that road connected with near Lombardi's old store where the civitan is now.

The kid was caught because a motorist saw the moped with which he admitted he had pretendd to break down on, and Debbie had stopped to help.

He worked as a bagger at he Maple Grocery Store (Can't Remember the Name), and his father turned him in.

The name in the other posts Daniel Couillard sounds right.

One of the memories that will stay with me forever are these 2 murders. Chateauguay lost it's innocence after that for a lot of us!

God Bless you both!

Anonymous said...

Hello. After diggin, I went to the archives nationales on Viger in montreal. They were able to give me the info that he made his time for the first murder.. they were not allowed to give me any info about the second one, unless a approuval from a judge. It is evenpossible to have the autopsy report and all.... I did not wanna know anything about that... so, if someone is interested to have a approval from a judge, youl be able to dig a bit more... I'm pretty over with this case, the must I guess rest all in peace now (for my point of view)... March 25th 1977 valleyfield court of XXXX XXXXXXX, guilty, life term, but since he was under 18 at the time of the murders, possibility to be free after 10 yrs... was suppose to start in a mental hospital... Good luck to all of you that wanna pursuit the researches... I'm done... Stef

Anonymous said...

I remember my mother ordering me to stay on our own property becuase there was a ' killer on the loose'

Supposedly the killer was the son of the owners of a depanneur in the Maple Shopping Centre who used to be seen riding around on his mo-ped.

I understand the Youth Protection Act but because of the nature of his crimes he should have been identified.

It makes me sick that this animal could be anywhere,living amongst more teenaged girls.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I think I remember the killer. Yes, he worked at the depanneur in the Maple Shopping Centre. He was mildly retarded and had black hair. I remember his face well. He disappeared soon after these incidents. I would bet that he's in an institution to this day. Former resident of Chateauguay -

Anonymous said...

I remember this so well. I was only 10, and this killer was our milkman's (Sealtest) assistant, and delivered milk to our house inside, and I answered the door many times. My dog hated this guy. Horrifying time. I remember it was the first time people really felt they needed to lock their doors.

Anonymous said...

HI
this is for the last person that wrote I myself grew up in that same area I was 11 at the time and we also had our milk delivered at home by an older English speaking man who at times had a teenager helping him maybe it was the same guy?
T.C.

Anonymous said...

I have lived here since 1959. I remember the murders well. It was a brush and it wasn't the milkmans assistant. I have known the sealtest milkman most of my life!

Anonymous said...

Hello
What ever happened to the this killer I heard he was at the Douglas hospital for a while but after that who knows?as for the milkman who delivered the milk he was an older English speaking man in his 60s in the 70s he drove an old truck.Where is this crazy nut I called in Valleyfield for some info and they refered me to the archives departement in Montreal.

T.C.

Anonymous said...

I lived in Chateauguay up until 1978. My sister was a good friend with Norma. I will never forget how this affected our whole family. I will never forget Norma!

Anonymous said...

I am 50. I remember the door bell ringing and My Mom & I went to the door as it was the police and or detectives on the case. I was a member at the pool - not the Seignory Park one with Norma but the other in the other direction of our houses. The pool closer to the Heights where Linda M and her very large family lived. I also went to schoold with Debbie's brother. I remember DC working in that shopping center. Confused if it was the Dep or the grocery store.
My father knew one of the detectives working on the case. My house on Maple faced the field and I used to have nightmares about its surroundings. As kids, we biked, walked and played innocently before the murder/s changed our lives. Pretty sure the grade school, Norma and & I walked to was Willibroad up the hill from Billings.

john allore said...

I know who the Chateauguay sex killer was. And he's on Facebook.

www.theresaallore.com

john allore said...

I know who the Chateauguay sex killer was. And he's on Facebook.

www.theresaallore.com

TceWatches said...

Hi
Are you talking about the same man?
Cause there are many families with the same name in the Chateauguay area.
How do you know this exactly people faces changes especially after almost 40 years.