Wednesday, August 08, 2012

Mandatory driving school gouging the poor

   Quebec's provincial government has quietly passed laws that will suck $1,000 from your pocket for something which costs zero in other provinces such as Ontario, Alberta and British Colombia.
   Since January 2010 Quebec requires all drivers to take driving lessons in order to get their first license, a cost well-beyond what many families and immigrants can pay. 
  Other provinces haven't seen skyrocketing accident rates without the lessons, nonetheless Quebec has been zealous in its crazy increasing of driving restrictions. 
   In 2009 Quebec doubled the amount of road time and theory time required to get a license, so much to the delight of driving schools, a $450 course suddenly ballooned to about $1,000 with a time-sucking 24 hours of theory and 15 hours on the road:
  Fact is, $1,000 is a lot of money for people and 39 hours is a massive time-suck unless they're training you to be Michael Schumacher or something.
   Imagine you're an immigrant who wants to deliver pizzas to support your kids, you're in tough luck because without one thousand dollars cash you can't even think of driving legally. 
   Or you're the farmer with six kids to feed and you need them to drive around to get supplies and to their various places. That will cost you a punishing $6,000 that you wouldn't have to pay a cent for in other provinces.
   So when a few companies came in to ease the pressure, offering more sensibly-priced for possibly less-real-training they were exposed in a self-glamorizing report in the Journal de Montreal (you can guess that other driving schools narced these guys out) and those places were shut down by the province. 
   Typical case of solving a problem that doesn't exist while ignoring the real fact that people can't afford $1,000 to get a drivers license.
   The province has ordered driving school operators to charge no more than $825 for a course. 
   So the $825 is the maximum they are allowed to charge by law. So what do they charge? With books, taxes and other fees, it's over $1,000 in most places. If you miss lessons, you'll get gouged even more.
   In fact, after calling around to countless places across the island, it sure starts to sound like there's price-fixing going on. 
   When I brought this to the attention of one receptionist, she told me that they were ordered by law to charge $825. In fact, they are ordered by law to charge no more than $825. 
   I brought this to the attention of the provincial bureaucrat in charge of this dossier, Francois Remillard and he said that other expenses are not allowed to be excessive. He told me that he invites people to complain.
   I'm generally a supporter of the Liberal government because I'd sooner have my fingernails get pulled out than have the dreaded Parti Quebecois elected to power, but I would vote for a party that was less-inclined to keep this nanny state nonsense going on as it is.  
   Here's a list of some of the places around Montreal and what they charge, taxes and books included.
 Lauzon & Morty's, about $1,007,. Access Driving School in Beaconsfield $1006,  Montreal City Motor League $1005, Chateauguay Driving Academy, $998, Eureka Driving School $948, Omega 5709 Côte-des-Neiges, $943, Top Driving School 6420 Victoria Ave $899, Carthage Driving School, Centre St. $827,  Mont-Royal 360 Avenue du Mont-Royal East $980,  Amel Slama 3300 Rosemont $810, Pro-Expert 4867 Jean Talon E $855, Tecnic Varennes $1000, Lachine Driving Academy $998, 
Access Driving School Beaconsfield, $1006,  Eureka Driving School 3173 St. James $948, Tecnic Driving School 5173 Cote-des-Neiges $907. 
    Only one or two offered a price under $800, which is still ridiculously high, Paul Driving School 4781 Avenue Van Horne #200... $750

11 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:51 pm

    In our face !!!

    Damn it !!!

    Thanks for the post.

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  2. Erydan6:33 pm

    My brother spent a couple months, possibly weeks in Texas. Got a social security number with no problem, without anything more than a business visa, and got his Texas drivers license without having to take any classes and not much of a driving test. Explains a lot about the drivers there, but that's not the point, he came home to Montreal and got his Quebec license with absolutely no problems or questions asked what so ever, no driving classes at all!

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  3. Maybe that's why our drivers have always been so bad--and getting worse! :-(

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  4. Anonymous11:29 am

    The fad for lessons comes and goes. When I got my driver's license in Quebec as a teen you needed to take lessons.
    Same with when I got my motorcycle license in BC. (And the theory bit then was a touch wasteful since 95% of people in the room already had a driver's license ;) We spent most of the time talking about how motorcycles actually handle)

    The lessons were great, although I cannot imagine why anyone needs 24 hours to learn the theory about driving. In BC it was 16, and even that was cheated down a bit.

    As for the cost -- when I took my mandatory driving lessons in Quebec way back in 1989, it cost me $600.

    You do have an error though. -- if you come from another province or a country with recognized standards you don't need lessons. A road test at most.

    -Kevin

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  5. Martin5:06 pm

    I wonder if the car insurance companies will acknowledge a driving school diploma/certificate with a decent reduction in premiums etc.....

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  6. It is time for this nanny state crap to go...everything from regulation of contests so that nobody in Quebec can enter...and having travel agents, even ones 25+ years in the business, pay $75 or so to take a test on "trust fund accounts". Who pays cash/cheque for travel these days??? If you do, you deserve to be fleeced...everyone knows pay with a credit card for the protections/points/insurance it offers. I am sure that Bill Gates and Expedia don't pay these fees or take these tests, the insular provincial Quebecois forget about the world wide web so they put locals at a disadvantage.

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  7. These schools are a joke.. The instructors are clueless and teach the wrong things! It's sad how simple it is in North American to get a license compared to Europe.. You have countries such as Germany, Finland, Sweden ETC that teach proper car control in various situations, how to drive at speed and how to properly treat others on the road.

    Here you learn how to be clueless behind the wheel and not observe surroundings. When you finally do get that license after having completed a simple road test/backing up into a spot you can go out on the road to merge onto a highway at 50kph.

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  8. Bookity Bookity Joe Nelms3:03 pm

    At the suggestion of her *pfui* brother, my wife signed our two sons up for driving lessons at a school popular (probably because it's relatively cheap) that particularly caters to her brother's community.
    Two places to take the test: Sauve St. (recommended by the school) or Hymus on the West island.
    First kid fails the test. Remedial classes at the school- only $100.
    I figured "Okay, the kid just blew the test, he'll pass next time", which he did.
    Talking to another hockey dad when it was coming time for the second kid to take the test, he said "That school? They never pass at Sauve until the second or third time at least. They always push Sauve because when you fail they get you to pay for the extra classes..."
    Second kid passed on his first test at Hymus. No problem.
    Mind you, the guy at Hymus did cut him a little slack: The school never really taught him how to park. The test guy said "Yeah, that school cuts some corners, but the kid does drive okay, if you promise to show him how to park I'll let him pass."
    So that's what I did. He's a good driver, too.

    The driving school that I like (with no clue if it's any good or not) is something called "Hope". I just like the name. I presume it's a subsidiary of "Ecole de Conduire Cross your fngers & Pray"...

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  9. Anonymous12:46 pm

    What Quebec driving schools (and drivers) need is a mandatory course under winter conditions (driving on snow and ice, parking, getting "unstuck" from a snowbank, etc.).

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