There are 62 arenas on the island of Montreal (plus Bizard Island) according to this map. The list includes community hockey rinks but also lists private places the L.C.C. arena and commercial rinks such as the Bell Centre and the 1000 de la Gauchetiere rink).
Many of the newer ones are double-barreled affairs, with two rinks in the same facility, including the ones in Verdun, St. Henri, Rosemount, Rod Gilbert arena in the east end, as well as the upcoming underground Westmount arena.
A few of the biggest rinks even have seats on both sides, which is probably overkill for most leagues but impressive nonetheless. Some have excellent snack kiosks such as at Bill Durnan Arena on Vezina and the Oullette Arena in St. Michel. Some other arenas contain little pro shops with skate sharpening and other services, but most do not.
I have visited almost half of all of these rinks within the last couple of years, and I'd say that the most outdated are the Doug Harvey Arena and the St. Charles arena, which has a swimming pool under the same roof. The Francis Boullion on Prefontaine rink is also pretty dingy.
The Mantha rinks at Gadbois in the Hank and the rinks in St. Michel are probably the nicest I've seen and the shiny Cote St. Luc rink is pretty impeccable too.
Some neighbourhoods have to share a rink, for example Hampstead and Montreal West both play in the Montreal West arena, which I have not visited since I lived there for a year as a kid, as the NDG teams my son plays for never plays against that time in spite of its proximity.
Some rinks, such as the Centre Sud are very discreet, as the local encatchment area doesn't appear to have enough critical mass to form a team in many of the divisions, so I've never set my foot in that arena.
NDG and Cote des Neiges both play under the NDG banner, as relatively few kids from Cote des Neiges play organized hockey, it would seem.
Cote des Neiges, NDG and St. Henri all unite to form a single double-letters team, which I would say is too much as it's well over 165,000 people in one team area.The rinks don't only host hockey, they also offer free skating, figure skating, ringuette and speed skating (at least the Mantha arena in St. Hank does the speed skating which seems very cool). But from my sense of things the young boys playing hockey accounts for the great majority of what happens at these rinks.
Parents come in all forms. Many just drop their kids off and go home. Games with the young kids are better-attended more enthusiastically cheered by those on hand, same with those at higher levels.
I've heard a lot of complaints about parents getting obsessed with putting their kids into double-letter hockey teams, which play more competitively than those with single letters.
One parent tells me that parents will even put their kid in a variety of leagues and keep him in the league which promotes him the highest.
A tutor once told me that a large percentage of the kids she teaches are from families whose parents push their kids in hockey at the expense of their studies, something she found stupefyingly dumb, considering that almost none of these kids will ever play professionally and even if they do, chances are that it won't be for big money in the NHL.
One parent with I know pulled his kid from double letter hockey because he said the other parents were like a mafia clique (with everything that implies on an ethnographic level).
That all being said, however, minor hockey gets a very unfair rap in my view, the so-called problem of parents abusing referees or kids getting concussions is highly overblown and there's a lot of love and friendship involved in these kids and parents getting together.
Doesn't hurt when your kid's team wins. My son, who is in his second year playing for the Atom A Cougars, has racked up a season of 18-1-1 with one tournament victory on top of that, (added to the 23-7-3 season last year made Atom A a lot of fun).
Most of these rinks are funded by the local taxpayer, I'm told that the hockey league to the tune of about 80 percent. They're a real bargain for parents but having a kid playing hockey involves some driving around, which eliminates a lot of poorer kids from the sport.
I also believe that girls' sports are less-well funded by than boys sports and aim to provide some statistical argument for that when I can get my numbers together, any help in creating that argument would be appreciated.
I am kind of curious about the 18-1-1 record.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how amateur hockey is run in NDG but in a lot of other places they try and balance teams unless they are playing at a premium level. This is often also done in kid's baseball.
Here is how they go about it....Say that there are enough players to form 4 teams. Each player is evaluated at a 1-5 range. The coaches are then allowed to select players in a kind of draft and are always allowed to pick their own kid if he or she is playing. The coaches get to pick an equal amount of 2's and 3's etc.
What this achieves is that each team is balanced against the other and all kids get equal ice time.
Some parents put their kids in non-contact hockey when the kid clearly has skills that would allow him to play for a higher level team. The end result often ends up with that kid being the team star.
Another thing that often happens is that amateur coaches become very competitive to the point of giving their best 1 or 2 players far more ice time than others. At lower levels there can be a few kids that can score a goal almost every shift. Sometimes the coach plays their best goalie while the other kid gets to ride the pine with his parents not getting to see him play at all.
18-1-1 is not a balanced team. Either all of the really good players from the community are on one team or a couple of guys are doing almost all of the scoring and getting far more ice time than the others.
Think about it.
My son's Novice B team didn't win a single team two years ago (plus the coach was a dick), so I won't weep for the success they're enjoying this year.
ReplyDeleteThe way it works is that all of the kids in the age group in the area are called in to doing these skating sessions in September. The best skaters are chosen for double letters.
Usually those kids are the same ones who were in double letters the year before, so if you really insist on getting your kid at a top level, get 'em started early otherwise the little clique will make sure you're blocked.
This year the NDG "CC" team did pretty poorly, I think they're about 4-12, so when you consider that the A team, one rung down, is 18-1, it leads you to think that they might've chosen poorly.
The A division is divided into two teams and the other NDG team is reasonably good, something like 8-6 or something, I think they did their best to make the teams even but some kids were better than they imagined they would be, others worse.
All kids have been getting equal ice time, no favoritism has been shown, although there's one kid who is very good, can blow by everybody, usually good for about a goal per game on average.
Last year Ahuntsic was a dominant team in Atom A, many of those kids moved up (you spend two years in each league) and as a result Ahuntsic has the two worst teams in the eight team league.
St. Henri's team, known as HSO, is also filled with giants, I'm not sure how that works exactly. I just looked up the population of St. Henri and it's only apparently 5,000 people, that can't be right, but if it is, they're lucky to even get a single team together.
Once again, if there are others out there reading this that are trying to decide whether to put their kid into hockey, I say absolutely, you'd be nuts not to. It almost saddens me to think that some parents fail to do this.
I guess there are also jobs in coaching, scouting and so on, but the average NHL career, even for those few who make it that far, is about three years.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, as big a part of our culture as hockey is, the culture of hockey is rarely examined - not in TV shows or movies or novels or much else.
Thank you for confirming my suggestion made elsewhere in your blog about the low volume of hockey participation among the resident youth of the Cote des Neiges district.
ReplyDeleteMy eyes do not deceive me.
My son played organized hockey from the age of 5 to over 18. After that he played in a roller hockey league.
ReplyDeleteWhen he was about 6 I thought I had the next Wayne Gretsky on my hands. A year later a number of kids had caught up to him and the Gretsky stuff went out the window.
When he was about 14 he decided that he wanted to be a goalie and went to a hockey goalie school. For the next 4-5 years he played goal in a non-body checking league.
I'll never forget one of the hockey moms telling others that she was disappointed because my son had no previous experience playing goal not knowing I was his dad. She changed her tune when my son turned out to be a pretty decent goalie.
One night after a practice some guys from a beer league asked my son to play for them because they didn't have a goalie. It was a bit of a hoot watching him play with 30and 40 year olds.
The no body checking thing was a bit of a joke. The coach's son was always getting into fist fights. He wasn't the only one.
I went to a few out of town tournements when my son was about 18. By this time there were 3 or 4 punks on the team. Lots of swearing and yelling at the ref, getting tossed out of games. The games were pretty good but there didn't seem to be much disapline.
I found that hockey was much more fun when my son was younger. At out of town tournements it would be quite common to hear parents, men and women, yelling at the young refs as if they had been robbed.
I don't miss that smelly hockey equipment bag being in the car. I also don't miss a number of the parents.
Well, I can't help you with numbers, but a couple of comments, one might help your kid:
ReplyDeleteAt Harvey one time (I think it was a midget game, a couple of kids just went down near the boards. Kid from our team gets up, absolutely spewing blood from his arm. Hospital sewed him up, followed by surgery repairing severed tendons, nerves etc. Took him close to a year to heal, but thanks to quick (and good) medical care, he came out OK. He could have easily lost the use of that arm (so we were told), but he got lucky.
I did a bit of Googling and found a place on St.Jacques called (as I recall) simply "Safety Supply". They sold kevlar sleeves. $15 a pair. Skate blade won't cut through them. I just tried to find them again, but my web-fu is limited. Anyways, they're league legal (house, double, triple letters, and even NHL if the linked story is any proof.
(excerpt:
n 1994, when Teemu Selanne was 23 and a year after his 76-goal rookie season, Selanne had his right Achilles 80 percent severed by Don McSween's skate.
Selanne now wears arm sleeves and socks made with Kevlar yarn. On Thursday in Detroit, the ageless Anaheim Ducks star demonstrated his arm sleeves to reporters by trying to cut his arm with his skate.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/191497231.html?refer=y
The kids don't like them, of course, "wimpy", and at least my guys (both goalies) had heavy arm protection pretty much top to bottom, not like skaters who are vulnerable wrist to elbow.
I wasn't at all successful in my mid-90's campaign to get kids to use them (I even suggested them to a Habs trainer of my acquaintance), but Jesus, man, for the sake of your own peace of mind, if nothing else, try to get your guy protected. Seeing Will cut like that actually caused one parent in the stands to puke.
Hey, if a lady named Margaret is still part of NDG hockey (may well be- she was looked on as kind of eternal back in the 90's and into the 2000's- den mother to the whole league), ask her, she may remember the incident.
Okay, the comment: I guess the spiffiest rink on the island is "Quatre Glaces" in Pierrefonds- but I kinda actually like Etienne Desmarteau on Bellchasse. At least Desmarteau is in the vicinity (well, sorta) of Elio Pizza - best in Montreal.
ReplyDeleteOh, and referee "abuse"? Yelling at the ref is just part of the game. One of my sons who reffed in NDG (gave it up for industrial leagues at 4x the pay) once said that any ref who thinks it won't happen to him is a moron. Nobody ever became a ref without being a player first, after hearing the screaming for years before they started wearing stripes. To think it won't happen is just plain dumb. "Don't want parents yelling at you? Don't be a ref- find a different minimum wage part-time job.
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ReplyDeleteCan you post more often? Please?
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