Sunday, December 13, 2015

Photographic proof that Cavendish needs an extension south from St. James


   This series of images taken from the 1976 film Una Magnum Special de Tony Saitta proves that it's entirely possible and indeed highly-enjoyable to drive straight down the St. James cliff to the area near where Highway 20 sits below.
   You don't have to be an Italian stunt driver to do this but it probably doesn't hurt.



   Why is this important to know you ask? (Who asked? I didn't hear anybody ask - Chimples)
   Traffic in The West End has been crippled by a series of traffic planning decisions made by the former Charest government that have made it difficult to reach Highway 20. (Charest himself has not been inconvenienced by these carbound calamities, as his drive from Victoria and the Boulevard to Peel and Sherbrooke still takes 12 minutes).
    Perhaps most dramatically, the eastbound ramp from near Girouard has been forever removed, turning two traffic-light, seven minute drive downtown into a eight-light-or-more, 19 minute drive through many already-overburdened streets.
   Transport Ministry authorities have suggested that a less-useful ramp may or may not be built in about five years time somewhere from Pullman. Don't hold your breath.
   Other highway accesses have been shut for four years, which makes the area way less accessible.


  What we need is a new road down Cavendish to hook up with Highway 20 below.
   Now, many people have been calling for the St. James cliff to be defended as green-space habitat, which seems like a reasonable idea,
   But adding one extended road down to it wouldn't do much to bother the wildlife that lives along the three-km linear area.
   My philosophy on green spaces? I love them and want plenty more in the city but not in remote or dangerous places and the St. James cliff is both.
   Large-sized and difficult-to-reach parks create the illusion that Montreal has a lot of green space, whereas it actually has very little accessible by foot.
   We need parks and green spaces where you live, even if it means expropriating and demolishing existing homes, not on scary and dangerous hills where bodies get dumped.
  By the way I have a personal connection to the cliff as I live right near it and my father purchased a long stretch of it for the cost of $1 in the 1950s. He bought it off the CN after a child died falling down the cliff. The CN was happy to get rid of because they considered it a legal liability.
Hill was a garbage dump
   You can see in these photos that the cliff was largely barren and covered with rocks in 1976, that was largely because construction work expanding St. James required tossing loads of detritus over the hillside.
   My father claimed that this sort of thing was done for many years before as well, which greatly increased the size of his land, thus increasing the size value of the land he rented out considerably.
Fenced off secret road
   As you can see in this photo, the hill was long used as a place to dump garbage.
   We should mention that there is another more elegant solution to creating a road down from St. James. The city already owns a disused, fenced-off road that sits slightly east of Cavendish across from the waste-of-space city storage yards.
   I've always been a bit short on details of how this worked exactly so anybody with information please pass it along.
   Meanwhile if we all do extensive yoga and visualize this road down the cliff, it will eventually get built. 

9 comments:

  1. I have been thinking the exact same thing for the longest time. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I've never even seen it discussed as a possible scenario. Either our city planners have no imagination at all or there are objections to this idea that I don't understand.

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  2. FWIW,

    Raw garbage was dumped over the edge of the Turcot Cliff back in the Fifties as the following views show in foreground.

    http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d9/75/34/d975344763bd47c615de3871c1be6507.jpg

    http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fe/bc/5c/febc5c25e271eef664af02573be7efc1.jpg

    The Ugliest Building in the World over by St. Remi is visible far left.

    We used to visit here and I was always amazed at the RATS scurrying around.

    Pullman was not put thru to Motel Raphael Ruffo @ the bottom end of Brock until the Seventies.

    The long tower is for coaling and sanding steam locomotives, hoppers of coal pushed up the ramp from the West.

    To-be-Scrapped steam locomotives are being accumulated in the distance, as is this one here below Decarie.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-yA4OAC96c/U2B1rvzEquI/AAAAAAAA-Wk/lTIHLL88Ycg/s1600/Canadian+National+CN+4-6-4T+Turcot+Yard+Montreal+1958.JPG

    ( CN 49, the last steam locomotive overhauled at PSC shops is now at CRHA @ Delson/St. Constant. )

    Too many people, high-density housing and multi-car families have destroyed all-too-many cities and they consume vast amounts of resources and water.

    The Turcot Cliff is too ugly to beautify easily = cost.

    Much built on garbage and broken sidewalks.

    Extending Cavendish NORTH or SOUTH will make an alternate route to clog up @ rush hour, which is all day, now.

    NDG, CSL and Mtl. W. will not benefit, esp if they ever extend CSL road thru the Sortin Yards.

    A story I heard aeons ago was that when CPR decided to move their Windsor Station locomotive and coach facilities West from around Mountain to a larger facility @ Westmount ( Vendome ) they had to bring in trainloads of 'Fill' from elsewhere and create a false plateau of 'made up land' as a base just above St. Remi and to the West of the Tramways Car Barn in St. H. where the road tunnel comes thru from above.

    Before CPR moved in, there was a small valley there named 'The Glen', which the CPR filled in.

    Now, if all that 'fill' now under the Hospital gets soaked and elects to sluff???

    There was talk a while back in Coolopolis about the possibility of St. Jacques/Upper Lachine slippage down the bank to the West.

    ( Lower Lachine ran down by the River to Lachine. )

    Montreal was a far nicer place, as were many other cities, when around 800,000 population.

    More roads = more decaying infrastructure and places to sit in traffic.

    Glad I am old.

    Thank You.

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  3. More FWIW.

    At time 13:07 in the NFB Train 406 film, the location where Mr. CNR throws the cigarette out of his '58 Chev

    https://www.nfb.ca/film/train_406

    is the curve uphill in view 3 of 3rd. set of four photos in title page of this Coolopolis story.

    The entrance to this road was off UL just to the East of Old Rose Bowl Lanes @ the South end of Cavendish, and the City used to truck snow down there light years ago.

    Thank You.

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  4. Judging by the freight cars, and the presence of the coaling tower and steam engines, that particular image dates to the end of the 1950s, at the very latest.

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  5. AFAIK.

    The LAST steam locomotives to operate out of Turcot Roundhouse were the Tank Engines used on the Montreal/Dorval commuter trains, these releasing the more-valuable-and-productive Diesels for longer and more profitable runs until the end of April 1959.

    The tank engines were used as they did NOT have to be 'turned' at either end of their runs, saving time, operating equally well in either direction.

    Built expressly for this service and lasted over forty years.

    With Montreal Tramways thru 1958, the Lachine Commuter was well served into Montreal.

    With the opening of the New CNR Montreal Yard, CN abandoned Turcot and it's steam era technology, then thru 1961, it's tracks were used to store, then cut up over 100 steam locomotives no longer required.

    Thank You.

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  6. Something I never expected to hear from Peter McQueen was that he seems favorable to re-activating the road down the cliff, as he mentioned at the November council meeting.

    But I don't think it figures in the Transport dept's plans and the 20 will run against the edge of the cliff, so the road is likely permanently mothballed.

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  7. Here is another view of the 'Secret' road where Mr. CNR tosses out his cigarette.

    http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1001/5183275472_65a58dcc1b_z.jpg

    I am not an expert, but suspect the road as it is now will be way to steep for any traffic, let alone too narrow.

    We used to ride our bikes down there and I was always afraid if the brake failed to fly off the drop beyond Mr. CNR's '58 Chev.

    We used to ride down the CSL hill East of Decarie from the Westmount Fire Station before the Trench was built, Super Test service station on Saranac where I was born, and that descent created pucker. Old-Look MTC 2300s were new.

    One day we were coming down there and a friend's bike's brake failed ( one speed, crank backwards to stop = coaster brake, ) and the only thing that saved his life was the light was green @ Decarie.

    Ditto on VSP Hill on des Erables when CNR was one 1 track and now-long-gone crossing had a flagman to protect main line around to EJ Jct @ Vertu, and PoT, and engines switching Consumers Glass.

    If one is interested they can go over to Cavendish and walk down the old hill into Turcot.

    Thank You.

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  8. More FWIW.

    With all the allusion to the CNR/GTR Tank Engines the following will be of interest.

    Here is more data on the CNR Tank Engines and Lakeshore Service. w/photos.

    http://turcotyard.blogspot.ca/2015/03/cnrs-montreal-vaudreuil-commuter-trains.html

    After Bonaventure Station burned, CNR Lakeshore service moved to Central Station as here, so hand-written caption is wrong re Doug Wright cartoon. The train w/CN 50 is going to Central Station, but the steam engines were taken off and electric locomotives substituted to enter station.

    ( 'Nipper' by Doug Wright is fondly remembered by Montrealers of that era. Google same.)

    Steam Engines headed Lakeshore commuter trains Westbound from Central.

    http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cnr_steam2/49b.jpg

    When scrapped in fall 1959, CN 50 had 6229 Miles on it since last overhaul.

    CN 46, now at Vallee Jonction, QC. had only 2131 Miles.

    I have yet to master activating links. Sorry.

    Thank You.

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  9. Dear Chimples & Co.

    Here is a link to test out if I have 'activated' it properly?

    http://imagestorage.cityrails.net/photos/2009/09/06/2009090621542113574.jpg

    One of the oldest Tramways cars extant.


    Thank You, All.

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